Question:
Is the mechanic ripping me off?
anonymous
2014-03-04 20:27:00 UTC
I have a 2010 VW Tiguan (it's a SUV) and it has almost 100,000 miles on it. I travel quite a bit for work. But anyways I took it into the VW dealership for an oil change which cost me 90 dollars. As I was waiting for them to get done a mechanic came out and told me that i need new front brakes (pads and rotors) as well as all 4 brake lines bled. And that would be 410.00!!! I told him not today but he was insisting saying they are extremely unsafe. I still declined because I drove it there and the brakes do not squeal and they are not squishy or go all the way down. I am no mechanic but they feel perfectly fine to me and my car stops quite well. But ever since he told me that I have been paranoid and been driving around my brand new Spark which I didn't want to do because I didn't want alot of miles on it. Should I just pay the 410.00 dollars and get the brakes for the Tuguan changed or do you think they are ok???
Eleven answers:
anonymous
2014-03-05 20:01:03 UTC
soo allot of the other answers here are pretty rude.



first of all regardless of how little you know about cars, you need to pretend to know about cars. changing brakes can be done in less than 10 minutes, but the mechanic will probably try to charge you extra for stuff like, it taking fore ever, complications etc. the more he thinks you know about cars. the less he will try to rip you off. asking to see the brakes would make him think you know. also worn out brakes arent that hard to tell.
?
2014-03-05 08:59:10 UTC
$90 sounds steep for an oil change but you went to the stealership so I am not too suprised. You say they used synthetic. That would account for some of it. Buying Mobile 1 not on sale at an auto parts store could run like $9 a quart. That is about $45 right there. Other synthetics could be bought for about $5 a quart. Not to mention about $15 for a quality oil filter. That would be doing it yourself. So when you break it down, again considering you went to the dealer, eh. Now to buy rotors for that would cost you about $120. Pads would run about $75. Almost $200. Not too mention the labor. So while I feel that is a lot of money is might not be that far off. I could do all that work myself and pay half but obviously you can't. Thing I do not like is that is sounds like the dealer tried to scare you into an expensive repair. Also since calipers or brake lines were not being replaced kinda wondering why the brakes need to be bled. Usually not necessary when just doing pads and rotors. Kinda shady. I feel that if the brakes were really that unsafe they could have showed you. They get a car in for service, in your case the oil change and their job is to sell work. Why do you think chains (Midas, Monro, etc) run oil change specials with 20 point free inspection checks. For peace of mind or to find out if you really need them done get a second opinion.
Sayswho
2014-03-05 04:52:59 UTC
"I am no mechanic but ..."



Right. And you're doubting the guys who wrench on these vehicles for a living thinking they're trying to rip you off. I mean really???



Dude, you have a 100K on your ride. How long do you think front brake pads and rotors last? How quickly or not brake equipment wears (pads and rotors) depends *a lot* on how you drive. For some people they can get 60-70K out of a set of front pads ...others maybe 40-50K. And just because "...they feel perfectly fine to me and my car stops quite well ..." according to you, the guy who admits he's not a mechanic, does not mean the pads don't need replacing.



You spend 90(!) freakin' bucks for an oil change and your pi$$in' and moanin' at $410 for a VW dealership brake job and brake line flush. That's actually what they'll do ...flush all the old fluid and put in new fluid which is something usually done at the 50K mark or so. Brake fluid retains moisture and can cause rust buildup in the brake lines and calipers. Not replacing the brake fluid regularly can also potentially affect the anti-lock brake modulator valve. This is preventive maintenance. You think $410 for a brake job is expensive ...hope you don't get the bill for replacing the anti-lock brake modulator.



"Should I just pay the 410.00 dollars and get the brakes for the Tuguan changed or do you think they are ok???



There isn't anybody out here in AnswerLand gonna give you the right answer. Why? Because in order to do so we'd need to evaluate the pads to see how far worn they are and look at the rotors for deep grooves and measure how much the rotor has worn. So buck up. Pay the expert who's looking after your car. He knows best.
anonymous
2014-03-05 04:51:41 UTC
90 dollars seem steep for an oil change.... Does that include a rotation is that a synthetic oil? I work at a dealership typically we give a sheet with the percentage of wear on tires breaks and an over view on the car. If u have any concerns I would say take it in to be looked at some place else. Best advice find someone u can form a relationship with with dealing with your car and upkeep and repair needs.
?
2014-03-05 08:50:25 UTC
90$ is about the right price for a synthetic oil change. a 5L jug of Liquimoly VW compliant oil goes for $72. As well $410 is about the right price for pads/rotors an brake flush Labor for most shops is around $100 per hour nowadays. I there is concern or doubts about matters like this I would suggest to get a second opinion from another shop. 100k miles on a set of brakes is quite high they usually last for 40-60k miles depending on driving conditions. As for squealing brakes not to many pad companies equip european brakes with warning squealers they like to use pad warning lights on your dash that where prone to failure.
Stpaulguy
2014-03-05 04:37:29 UTC
Seriously? We don't know the thickness of the pads or the condition of the rotors. We just can't see them from way over here.



And worn out brakes can feel fine and not make noise until they're actually metal to metal.



Ask the mechanic to SHOW you the brake pad thickness. If you're in doubt, ask him to show you what a new pad looks like.



If you doubt the mechanic's honesty, find a different one that you can trust.



But to ask us whether you need a brake job, is pretty silly.



The price however is the going rate for a brake job on a VW. It's gonna be higher than for a domestic or Japanese car



http://ricksfreeautorepairadvice.com/brake-job-cost/
I Am A Stranger Here
2014-03-05 05:58:00 UTC
Ouch!



One of the first things that I learned working in a garage was how other mechanics would do things. I do not know if this has changed, since the 1990s, but you have a strike right between your legs. Most assume that women do not know anything about their vehicles and some will use this to their advantage. This goes back to the days when every woman had a husband who took care of their car. The women never took the car in, only the men. So, more than a few unscrupulous mechanics have charged women far more than what they should, or charge them for work that did not need to be done. This was one of the problems that my employer had with the way I did things. I would explain to them and show them exactly what I was doing, and even quote the law to them so that they could make an "informed decision."



Your first problem is that you are at a dealership. Traditionally, dealerships will charge more than an independent garage for any repair work that they do. This is because they usually trained their mechanics better, have higher standards, and tend to use original equipment manufactured parts. This is not necessarily bad, as long as you have a warranty or have the cash to pay for it, as it keeps your vehicle to specs. However, if you do not have the money or a warranty, it can hurt.



Where I am, even at dealerships, an oil change usually only runs about $45 or $50, if they provide everything. And, being honest, my local dealer for my car only charges $25 for a complete oil change and to look everything over and top things off. The independent garages tend to run about $19.95 or thereabouts for the same work. It goes up slightly if you require more than four or five quarts of oil or need something else like an air filter. Straight up, I could not afford $100 oil change.



Since I am not familiar with your vehicle, I have to ask if this was for all four wheels or just two, the front. For the two front brakes, it sounds high, about double the price. Why? Because I just looked online at my local Volkswagen dealerships and they are doing it for under $200 for the front brakes. Rough estimate would be that $400 would cover all for brakes, assuming they are the same. Of course, if you have rotor damage or need other work done, it can run up just for the front. Usually, bleeding is part of the labor if it needs to be done. Of course, this may have changed in the last 20 years.



Do you have a state inspection? If you do, have they warned you about your brake pads/shoes? Where I am, this is a normal part of the inspection. A good garage will even show you the thickness of the pad and let you make a decision. Since this is not an inspection, they may or may not inform you. The first time that someone hears about this is usually during an inspection if they have state inspections. Otherwise, it may be when they rotate wheels or you are lucky enough for a garage to check.



Before you spend the money on new shoes/pads, try taking it to an independent garage and see what they say. They may or may not charge you to check the brake pads/shoes but it will at least let you know whether or not your dealer is being honest. While you are there, get a price estimate. Usually this is the price per hour multiplied by the number of hours that the job takes, as set forth in a mechanics manual. Or, this was how it was done in my day. If it's set a repair took four hours to do, then you multiplied the shop fee times the four hours to give you your estimate. If it took five hours, but was nothing additional, you were still only charged for the four hours. Therefore, four hours times a $50 an hour labor rate would be $200, which was high then.



People will tell you that dealers are not dishonest. I have seen dishonest dealers and dishonest mechanics. If they think they find a sucker and will not be reported, they will try anything. You, proving women are not stupid, have asked very valid questions and may save yourself from being ripped off. :-)



I had a dealership mechanic tell a customer that their carburetor (back when cars had carburetors) had dissolved in an acid bath. This acid bath was supposed to simply clean the carburetor, not dissolve it. This individual paid more than $500 to get a new carburetor for that particular piece of junk. What happened to the carburetor, however, was that it had been installed on another, similar model, car because the owner did not want to wait for a replacement to come in. The sad thing is that the mechanic was related to the owner of the car which he stole the part off of. For what it's worth, the dealership is now out of business.



I was raised in a family where you did absolutely as much as you possibly could to save money. Therefore, my father and uncle being mechanics, I learned how to repair cars. Even my grandmother impressed on me the importance of watching the mechanics like a hawk. In small towns dealerships and mechanics have to be more careful than they are in large cities where they have higher populations that they can rip off.



Check around before you do anything. Don't take our advice as gospel, either. And, it never hurts to know a little bit about repairing the car yourself in the unfortunate event that you get stuck somewhere and cannot turn to a qualified mechanic. :-)



I hope this helps some.



I have to agree with Martin. This is something that we were told very early on. Always look like you belong, know what's going on, and look cool. Because you asked to see the brake pads they will think you know what's going on even if you're completely lost. He's got one of the best answers on here.
Geo
2014-03-05 04:47:20 UTC
Your rotors are fine if the pedal feels good. They shouldn't be worn out at 100K.You may well need front pads. You could do that yourself. You remove the caliper, squeeze the piston(s) back into the bore, remove and replace the pads, reinstall the caiiper. VW can't do a better job than you or anyone on front brakes. You don't breake the hydraulic system to change pads, so you don't bleed them. However, you do want to FLUSH your brake system when it's scheduled. Consult your owners manual.
anonymous
2014-03-05 13:10:50 UTC
$90 expensive?



WTF? How do you guys even pull a wage over there in America charging that low?



Then again I've been to a few states over there and things are cheap!



Just do the brakes. Euro cars will always eat rotors fast so it's not uncommon to change both rotors and pads at the same time.



If you want to save a few dollars, go to a local mechanic or any other workshop bar the dealership.



They normally use aftermarket parts and have a lower labour rate.
Mr.357
2014-03-05 04:56:12 UTC
You can probably see the brake pads without removing the wheels. 1/16" inch will get you around for a while.
?
2014-03-05 05:19:02 UTC
90 dollars is steep for JUST an oil change ,, but,

i think they did more then just that.

$400 is ok for brakes, not out of line,

having worked in dealerships ,, i feel most mechanics are extremely honest, competent, and do not work on commissions.

if you dont trust a VW dealer ,, who you gone to trust.??????.

the mechanic was probably very concerned about your welfare.

he has nothing to gain.

get a 2nd opinion for your own peace of mind.


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