Question:
Can you clean and REUSE BURNED VALVES?
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13 years ago
Cylinder head valves.
Can't really differentiate the difference between burnt and just carbon build up on valves. Are they the same?
If I the valves have no cracks or holes, can I clean the carbon off of them and reuse them.
If they don't leak when I re-leak test them, are they then good to use?
Had very little compression in one cylinder.
What cleaner is safe to use on the valves?
I know I should replace all, but any money I can save right now, helps a lot.

Also I seen a method of re-lapping the valves by using a tool (stick with a suction cup on end that sticks to valve surface) that you spin while valve is seated. It refinishes the seat and recreates the seal/re-laps. Appears to work and seal just fine. Anything really wrong with this method?
Five answers:
bill f
13 years ago
A burned valve is literally burned; ie it will have a portion of the seating surface burned/melted off. It's junk, high quality scrap. Burned valves are caused by a)lean fuel mixture, too much air not enough fuel. Possible culprit, vacuum leak, improperly matched intake/exhaust system, b)too much spark advance, c) a combination of the two. There are other causes but these are the most common.



Carbon build-up is just that nothing else. Provided the valve is within specifications(straight, stem not worn, enough face to be resurfaced) it should be used again. Valves don't need to be replaced in sets. The only advocate of replacing sets is the guy selling the set.



There are no chemical cleaners I would recommend to remove carbon build up from a valve. However, if you want to remove carbon from a running engine that's a different story. Have a friend bring your car to a high idle and with the air cleaner removed squirt small amounts of water into the intake tract. The water will turn into steam inside the combustion chamber. The resulting steam "explosion" with loosen the carbon. The engine operation will blow the carbon out of the cylinder then the exhaust. I've done this with good results. A word of caution. Do this outside and make certain no one is standing behind the exhaust. I've seen good sized hot chunks of carbon whizz out of the exhaust!



Best way to remove the bulk of carbon is with a wire wheel. Wear eye protection when cleaning the valve with a wire wheel as the wires tend to fly of the wheel and embed themselves into whatever. Final cleaning is best done with a media blaster.



Have the valves and seats cut(resurfaced) by a professional. It will be cheaper in the long run. Remember, you never have the time or money to do the job right the first time! Take it from a guy who has screwed up and been screwed in every possible automotive process. Learn how to do repairs yourself or find a wrench you can trust.



Lapping valves with grinding compound is an old technique. Modern automotive machinists haven't lapped valves in decades. However, in a pinch it can be done but the results will be sketchy at best. Lapping a valve is inaccurate. The process "follows" the existing contours of the seat and valve. Where as modern techniques cut the seat and valve to the proper angle.



A modern "performance" valve job will use as many six angles to maximize air flow(efficiency). Which results in better gas mileage and more power.



Remember, this is a simplification of the "valve job" process and theory. The head of an internal combustion engine can make or break its reliability, efficiency and performance. Unfortunately it's dumb; it can only do what you make it.



Happy Motoring!!!
J J
13 years ago
If the valve is burnt there is nothing you can do with it but replace it. If they only need cleaning up you can lap them in with a lapping compound the danger with that is that you need to watch that you do not get close to the edge of the valve, that is when you will end up with a burnt valve. The valve should not be flush with the valve seat that is way to close and the heat of combustion will have a stronger effect on the material.
Ashton Woods
13 years ago
undamaged valves can be cleaned and reused. Sometimes the tips will mushroom and the mushroom needs to be removed from the tip before removing the valve through the valve guide. Other wise you could damage the valve guides. Lapping the valves is good to be sure that the valve seals. If the valves are not sealing properly they can be refinished also.



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bandit_60
13 years ago
if the head or heads are off then why not take them to a machine shop ! they will grind the valves that are still good and replace the ones that are burnt up and they will make sure they seat good ! if you have low compression just on 1 cylinder then it might be a compression ring stuck !
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13 years ago
Why not just replace the valves.


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